Don and Shirl spent 25 years traveling full-time doing worship music and the last 18 years has included the role of executive pastor for Don. 

Their entire adult ministry has been working with pastors and ministry leaders.  It provides a wealth of resource and perspective that is only acquired through real-life experiences. 


The goal of the podcast is to share antidotal information that helps to equip leaders in practical ways.  Personal stories help to drive the point home while making it both entertaining and informative.